Funnels get results, but for a lot of people building funnels is a soul-destroying journey of failure.

This week my podcast guest is Connie Pak. Connie helps online entrepreneurs build funnels which get results. 

Now - A lot of people say that - but I know it to be true of Connie - because I know who she works for and they told me it was true. 

So I had to have her on the show and spill the beans for you. Want to drive more sales online - buckle up and settle in.

About Connie

Connie Pak has been a successful entrepreneur and marketing strategist for over 10 years. Her passion and calling specifically as a marketing strategist comes from understanding the pains of business owners who are juggling to keep up with the changing marketing technology and strategies as well as leading & operating your business. 

he works closely with 6 and 7 Figure businesses to bring their visions to life with simple automated marketing systems. And she is here to serve entrepreneurs who are serious about scaling their business and passionate about sharing their message with the world.  

Website: conniejpak.com 

Free Gift: https://conniejpak.com/starterkit

Youtube: youtube.com/conniejpak

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Everything is solved with funds from cameras to courses, funnels get results, but for a lot of people, building files is a soul destroying journey of failure. This week, my guest is Connie Pak.

Connie helps online entrepreneurs build funds which get results. No, I know what you're thinking. A lot of people say that. But I know this to be true of Connie because I know who she works for. And they told me it was true. So I had to have her on the show and spill the beans for you. Want to drive more sales online than buckle up and settle in. Hi there. And welcome back to Amplify the Digital Marketing Entrepreneur podcast.

I'm Bob Gentle. And every week I'm joined by amazing people who share what makes their business work, people like Connie. So if you're new to the show, take a second right now to subscribe so you don't miss new episodes and you can grab some of them, many older shows once you're done with this one. Don't forget as well. You can join my Facebook community, just visit, amplify me, form forward, slash insiders, and you'll be taken right there before I go any further clubhouses here.

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So I'll see you in there. So welcome along. And let's meet Connie. So this week, I'm really excited to speak to Connie. Connie has been recommended to me by a very good friend, Lauren Davis, who never gets things wrong. She knows people. She knows people inside out.

And Connie, I'm speaking to you after having tried to launch something myself, and it didn't go the way I want it. So I'm super excited to speak to you because you helped people launch things, right. Connie, welcome to the show.

Yeah, thanks, Bob. Thanks for having me.

So for the people who don't know you, who haven't had the pleasure of being able to do a little bit of research like I have, why don't you tell us a little bit about who you are, where you are and what it is you do?

Um, well, I am. I live in Southern California. I'm the next city over from Disneyland. It's always the easy way for people to know I am a mom. I have two young kids, eight and three.

I have together with my husband for a total of twenty years, but married for thirteen. And I am a marketing agency owner. I help a lot of high six figure, seven figure clients really to have a more simpler online presence and or if they had a very solid offline presence to really create that online presence for them. So helping to to get more visibility, more sales or more revenue through another channel.

So when you say business owner or business owners are not the same, there's business owners that own McDonald's franchises and then there's business owners that run airlines. And then there's the kind of people that you work with. How would you define the kind of people you work with? What do they have in common?

That is a good question. So I have if I were to break it down, I have three main types of customers. I mean, they service about fifty percent of my customers are in the personal branding space. And so they are either coaches, consultants, trainers, and they have had maybe a lot of success just through speaking through their networks. And they really just need to get their online presence a little bit more streamlined. Like I like having a clear customer journey into their their ecosystem.

And then about twenty five percent, what I would say is commerce. And that comes from a little bit of my background in ICOM. And with e commerce, it would be businesses and brands that have done amazing and retail like in stores, and they just don't really have an online strategy. And then the last would be brick and mortar businesses who are offering services like, for example, whether it's roofing, solar or basement waterproofing type services and helping them finding more ways to using Facebook ads and other methods to get new clients and new customers into their ecosystem as well.

So that all kind of makes sense. And I think something that I'm finding a lot at the moment, and I think the pandemic that we're all in at the moment, if you're listening to this sort of. Vaguely when we're speaking, which is in December 2020, it's still 2020, isn't it? Lots of people are starting to question what they've been doing with their social media and associated output online. Something that I'm seeing a lot is people putting an awful lot of time and effort into visibility in it.

They're not have they don't have a plan for how they're going to turn that into money. And that's one of the things I look at what you're doing for your clients. You talk about simplifying everything. But a lot of the time, I'm guessing it's not just about simplifying, it's about looking at where can you apply the minimum effective dose and also tie that through to a very specific result. So I guess the question I'm working my way around to is when you encounter new clients, what are the most common frustrations that you find they have?

And what's the most common driver that you feel they end up coming to you rather than going to one of the many other options that they have?

That's a great question. If I were to break it down to two parts, it would be number one, analytics. A lot of clients have a few things going. They maybe have a Google person or a Facebook person doing different things. And there's just no consistency in how the analytics is done for them to know what is working, what's not working. And then, too, I have this thing that I've I've kind of I guess I've created where there's this customer journey that everyone has been aware of or I've heard of, where people come in, get the free, free thing, the free offer and the front end, and they kind of work their way up the customer journey.

But when I work with the new client, we sit down for a strategy session. As a marketer, I. I approach it from a marketer's journey and the marketers journey is coming in with the eyes of, well, what is the smallest action to the biggest impact? And it may not be that free thing in the front because the free the free thing you offer in the front is to the cold and they are going to take some nurturing to become a customer, a paying customer.

So the smallest action may actually be looking at what assets you currently have. And this is where some people are like, oh, I don't have anything. I'm thinking, let's let's dive into that. Let's let's ask some questions. Do you have an email list? Do you have a Facebook group? Do you have a decent following on any social media platforms, whether it's LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube channel, like do you have partners partnerships with complementary businesses where you guys could partner and work together?

Do you have. I'm trying to think if there is something else, I think that's kind of the main ones on my asset list. But we go through some of these things to see what do you already have, because these are people who have gotten to know you. And so then having them move up the ladder to getting to trust you is a little bit easier when you are reaching out to your warm and your heart.

And and speaking of hot, I think another one that people overlook is that, OK, so here's my buyers list and that's that. But no. Well, what else can we offer to your buyers list? Like, what's the next step that they are on on their customer journey? Let's not stop that process and keep that going because they've already bought one. If they really got value from what you had to offer, they're going to want more. And so make sure that that journey continues, even if it's just being a part of a group, a mastermind and have this ongoing reoccurring thing where you have where you get to build a community with them.

But the warm in the heart is kind of where I always kind of lean towards, because as a marketer, I get hired by these businesses and their number one thing their CFO is going to think about is what kind of Arawa why did Conni bring to our company? And for me, the only way I can get an R a Y the fastest way possible is to approach it with this marketer's journey.

I really like that. I think when I look at how most people approach a client engagement, they do take a top down process approach. And I remember it probably about four or five years ago.

I had three or four people in my agency who were working with brand new clients and they would work a top down approach. So they would look at foundational elements first and then they would look at, OK, we need to look at lead magnets and then they look at nurture sequences. And the client sitting there looking at his watch, watching the bank balance, going down, thinking, I want a quick win and. What you're describing is there are quick wins, but a lot of people don't instinctively go there first.

So I really like looking for sort of how can you execute on the the warm traffic first he thought up and deliver that early confidence to your clients, which then means they'll stick around with you for a little while to play the long game because they've got that confidence. What do you find people's biggest anxieties are when they come to you? Because a lot of people you won't be their first rodeo necessarily, you know what I mean?

That's a great question. So when they come to me, there's kind of a pro and con to having had worked with multiple agencies because, one, they know what didn't work. And so we're able to kind of work through, OK, what parts of that didn't work? And we kind of dissect that together. And then because I think we can all say things that didn't work in our business, there's always a learning part to it. And so the way I would approach it and talk to them about how it would be different is that we're not going to start new.

I'm not going to tell you I've got this brand new strategy that's going to work that was completely different from what you've done in the past. I actually go back and we revisit what happened and what parts of it worked and didn't work, take away some of the things that did work and expand on that. And I think that's kind of the the thought process. With any business, we always take our failures or our, you know, hiccups along the way as learning experiences.

And I always use that as a control. And then I'll bring in, like, for example, for running Facebook ads. I'll grab their old one as a control. And then I would create a new creative and new copy to split test against it. And so that way, it's I think it's reassuring for them, for them to not feel like they've just wasted thousands of dollars with other agencies. But it's saying, hey, that was all part of the learning process and let's continue to learn from it and continue to find how we can make this work for you.

I think something that I'm finding, particularly with the pandemic, is that where previously I said previously I'm talking before January, a lot of people instinctively looked in their own neighborhoods and their own sort of physical business ecosystem for an agency. And a lot of the time that leads to simply going to the pseudo popularist general digital agency who isn't necessarily very good at one narrow slice of things you really need. Are you finding over the last six or seven months that that's starting to change in your world?

Yeah, and I think you're right. I believe people will always start locally with someone, maybe a connection that they knew. I actually did a YouTube video on this. The top five questions you should ask when interviewing a marketing agency. And I think there's a lot to what you're saying where you have to find the agency that has had success in your industry. That's number one. You have to find someone that is interested in what it is that you're doing.

A lot of times my clients, their target audience is thirty five and older women with kids. And because of that, I'm able to really put myself in the customer's shoes and be able to read the copy as if I'm reading it as a potential customer. And I'm able to really give some insights as to how we should pivot or make adjustments accordingly. But if I am not to say I wouldn't be able to ever work with someone, but I my preference would be this.

I would be more excited and more interested in working with businesses that kind of fit my demographics and such. So I think those are really important key things. Another thing, too, is finding one that is a good fit in the sense that some agencies have grown to be so big that maybe the person you spoke to to actually sign up is not the person you speak to ever again. And so I always will ask one of those key questions would be, who do I get to work with and can I meet with that person?

You know, and not to say that, you know, other members of the team wouldn't do a great job, but it's like you would want to meet the person that's going to be very hands on on your account. And so that would be another question for me. If I were to look for an agency. Those are things that I would look forward to, make sure it's a good fit that that the care and attention will be there and that I'm not just another number on their their books, so.

I would like to go back to the whole the top of the funnel space and within the sort of personal brand expert consultant space that's quite easy to visualize, is quite easy to work out in terms of sort of live magnets optimized and the ways that you bring in audience sort of scaling up from the challenges and summits. That makes perfect sense. Looking across the spectrum to bricks and mortar and e-commerce, that's often a lot harder. So how do you take those same principles or do you take those same principles and apply those to an ecommerce or a bricks and mortar business actually with e-commerce and brick and mortar businesses?

I'm actually able to go more direct to either a lead or direct to the sale. So for the e-commerce, a very popular front end is a free plus shipping offer, and you give a very irresistable deal. And that usually is enough because a lot of people, a lot of us are at home buying things online. When so when something pops up on Facebook and you actually needed it, you you'll go try it out on the speaker. Consultants and experts say what I'm finding is that when you're starting from the top down, people are trying to jump directly to that often.

But I'm finding that if you've got the patience for it, you'll get more success. If you actually warm them up with more content first, get have them get to know you before you even introduce your Opt-In. I like that.

I am seeing people do that. I don't know if it's just because I pay attention. It's there's this part of the brain, the particular activating system. And, you know, when you buy a new car, suddenly you see that car everywhere. It's that part of the brain is doing that. And I think it's being triggered for me at the moment and how people are setting up things like Facebook. That's because I am seeing people driving traffic content with the Facebook ads.

And part of me is thinking, why are they doing that? And you've kind of just explained why that is. And I guess they're driving traffic to content through an ad, but then probably retargeting to an opt in for people who have seen that content. Is that how they would be doing it?

Yeah, you're absolutely right. So when you do the content driven and I do push for the videos for these experts, because in order to become an expert in other people's eyes, they have to visually see you and hear some of the things that you have to share your message. I'm able to run at a very low cost video of you ads where it's just shown without really a push for any sort of opt in. And then I retarget anyone who's watched any part of that video, any length of that video, generally at least three seconds or longer and able to then say, hey, well, I've got this free template that you might be interested in based on the video that you just watched.

And and it's interesting how the conversion on that is much stronger and you ultimately end up spending a lot less than if you were to have gone completely cold with the Opt-In.

So not many to put you on a spot. And I know there's a huge amount of variation, but anybody that's dabbled in Facebook ads will be very familiar with costs per click anywhere from a dollar up to two dollars as being kind of normal. And I know it can go much higher than that. But when you're running ads, the way you've described it there, what's the kind of normal good value space cost per click? Yeah.

So when you're doing the video views on the front end, it's actually cost per view and you're getting about three cents.


And if you look at how many people you've reached and so, you know, keep in mind, they may they may never take action, you know, or it may take some time for them to take action. But you've reached them. They now have seen your face. They've heard your content, they've heard your message. And so you're you're now planting that seed into their their their life of, oh, this is so and so. And they know a lot about this topic.

Yeah, my my the cogs are turning and my eyes are starting to water. And I think they call it tears of excitement, joy. Whenever I get a great idea like this and it's awesome for the listener is probably getting bored myself. Indulgence. Let's move off from from that topic. Yeah. I guess what I'd really like to know is we all have lots of different kind of clients. And your clients, current clients, maybe your future clients, but your current clients are unlikely to be listening to this podcast, if I'm honest.

So you can tell me you have. Quite a broad spectrum of clients that you're working with at the moment, and anybody in the digital space will tell you you need to meet your niche and we're all on a journey and we all have favorites. So what's your favorite kind of customer? The kind of customer you wake up in the morning and think, I wish I could only work with this person?

So my favorite client would definitely be someone in the coach's consulting speaker expert space.

And my favorite would be someone who is very passionate, like someone who is not just trying to make money. And they're relying on me to create these magical finals that are going to generate revenue for the business. But someone who is just really passionate about the message that they want to share. And so they're out doing that on their own. And I don't have to say, can you please do some videos? Can you please create some content? Can you can you?

Because what I want to really stress is that it really is an ecosystem. Funnels pay traffic, organic social media, like blogging, even emails like everything works together as an ecosystem. And so my least favorite I should also mention is the ones that would say, well, from what I can see, you've only brought in this much through your paid ads based on these metrics. But keep in mind, we also send traffic to their blog posts. We send traffic to because we want people to just get to know the client.

And then, of course, the tracking will only track what the last click was when they purchased. And so sometimes they won't give that credit to us kind of working together as an ecosystem. So my favorite client would be someone who really understands it's really an ecosystem and we're working hand in hand and versus. All right, Connie, I've hired you to make it happen. Yeah, I get that.

I get that completely. I think when my business was predominantly agency focused, you could tell the guy who just wanted you to come and make it work. They didn't want to participate. They just wanted you to come and take away the pain. I think Gary Vaynerchuk put it best. I think Chris Tucker said something similar, but every business should be 80 percent, whatever they do for money and 20 percent media company. And your job isn't to come and do that for people is to come and make it bigger and better and more effective.

But if they're not willing to contribute, it's never going to happen 100 percent.

And I'm reminded about something I just saw on an episode of Shark Tank. One person who is the inventor person, he was asked, what are you going to do with this investment that you receive? And he said, well, I want to hire a sales and marketing person to help grow sales of marketing for the company. And Mark Cuban just jumped right in and said, no, that's you. Yeah. So as a business owner, you never lose that role.

You just have people to help you amplify things and help with things like that. So I think it's very much in line with what you're sharing about Gary Vaynerchuk. Yeah.

So how did you get to being Canoga JPAC marketing legend? How did that happen? Because this isn't what you've always done, is it? Yes, it's not.

It's it's kind of an interesting story how this has all evolved. But I also was working a W2 job initially, like we always like most of us have all done. I was a controller. I did the accounting, H.R. operations and marketing for a boutique financial company. And here in Southern California, commuting to work is very taxing. We've all seen it in the movies.

And before having kids, I said I do not want to commute and only see my kids for one hour before bedtime and that's just not the life I want to have. So in 2010, my husband, I we both quit our jobs. He was a licensed real estate agent at the time and we're thinking, well, we're in California, real estate's pretty hot. We're going to go into flipping houses. And so we just jumped right into entrepreneurship. We lived this feast or famine kind of life for these couple of first couple of years because we were trying to figure out we didn't get paid until we actually bought a house, fixed it up, sold it, and then we'd get a paycheck.

That's a pretty long cycle. And so the idea of this whole marketer's journey really stemmed from me experiencing as a business owner like what feast or famine, feast or famine really felt like because I lived that and we decided, OK, as we're flipping houses, we really need to have some sort of more steady income coming in. So then we explored into being Amazon. Sellers, and so we were selling products on Amazon and we'd have an Amazon store.

I even created a private label product. It's called Agins Corner. If you want to check it out, it's food scissors for your toddler's ceramic food scissors and learned a lot through that experience, too, and eventually kind of cycled back where I realized in all of our businesses I was always in charge of operations, systems and marketing. What I loved about it was that marketing part. But I didn't enjoy really, you know, customer service with the scissors or even with the Amazon store and getting the inventory and, you know, all of that logistics part.

So I was thinking, well, if that's a part that I like and this is probably something that most business owners, entrepreneurs struggle with, where they're juggling, wearing multiple hats, like what if I were to really grow started an agency where I'm able to take that tech headache, the you know, what's working in the latest things in marketing and just take that off of their plate and be able to kind of be a team member, a part of their team, and really collaborate together, strategize.

I love learning. I'm constantly just doing one certification after another in this funnel and marketing space. And I love it. Like this is something that I enjoy and I'll continue to do that. Yet the business owners get to continue doing what they're doing, whichever products are selling or services or creating the courses that they're coming up with and things like that. So it just became that gradual process of realization and it came a little later in life for me.

I think I regret that I hadn't started this a lot sooner, but I'm like, you know, it's never too late to start, even if it's later than you would have wanted. And I'm just at this place in my life where I'm about to turn 40. I don't know if I'm allowed to. And I should have released my age, but I would never have asked.

But he's always curious, so that's why I volunteered it. So I'm turning 40 next month, and I'm I'm at this place where I just truly love what I'm doing. Like, I hear the struggles of everyone that's, you know, with everything that's happening with the coronavirus and how things have been. And I just feel for them and I'm trying to see what I can do to kind of help more people as possible. So just love creating content on YouTube where people can just hear more about what it is I talk about literally, you know, every day for the past four or five years, just talking non-stop about digital marketing funnels.

And I just truly love what I do. And I, I don't know I don't know if there are moments where I feel guilty, where I'm like, OK, I feel like I shouldn't talk about how happy I am when there's so much like heartache and stuff going on. But I don't know how else to say that.

And I think I think that's why people love you. And I think I totally know what you mean about feeling slightly embarrassed by how much fun your job is. I can't believe I get paid for this nonsense and I love, love doing it same as you. And it really shines through in the way you're speaking about it. Is your husband still flipping properties or has he found something else to do now?

Yes. So he is flipping houses. We still have a couple of projects here where we're doing actually a ground up development right by the Dodger Stadium and through the Amazon business, he found a pain point where people don't like to prep and ship products. And so he actually started a friendship company and he does that service that most people hate and takes that off their plate. So it's really just finding what people just don't like to do and offering that. And so he he's he's kind of a serial entrepreneur himself.

And so he he's still doing things like that.

I love it. He's selling painkillers and everybody wants painkillers. Something I'm curious about in your business is it's often very interesting to understand how opportunity comes to people. I think there are some people tends to be larger organizations where they have a sales machine. They have people who go out, make contact with people, say, hey, do you want one of these people say yes or no. So outbound sales, then there's inbound opportunity that comes through content marketing.

Then there's ads sort of people building funnels the way we talk about. But that's actually quite rare. And then there are people who build strong personal brands either locally in their own communities or online in a bigger way. And work comes to them through that through effectively word of mouth. How does that. Makes work for you, I think, for my agency. I feel thankful that it's pretty much been word of mouth predominantly. And then the other part would be those certifications I mentioned.

So I started with the quick final certified partner program back in twenty sixteen. And with that process, I'm able to be on their website as one of their certified partners. More recently, I finished the funnel gorgeous certification program with Julie Stoian and and will be the same thing where I'll be listed there and I've, I've gravitated towards certifications and people that I really aligned with their message and how they teach marketing, because what's interesting is that I will be on these PROSPEKT calls with people and we will all be aligned because they either have been following Russell Branson for a while or they've been following Julie Solium for a while.

And and so we are all on the same page as to how the marketing should work. And it just becomes really easy to just move past that. OK, let me educate you on what this what this process is to. OK, let's get into what your assets are and figure out what is your smallest action to the biggest impact.

I love it. And I think what's nice about you is I know I'm not the only one who loves it. I think a lot of people are very jaded and a little bit cynical about marketing because they've been bitten quite often. They pay for marketing and they don't see eye to eye. And I know some of the people you're working for and it's rare to hear such consistently good feedback, which is why I was so keen to have you on the show and find out what's going on under the bonnet.

They're calling you. I've been an awesome guest. I'm looking at the time and I know you have an appointment soon, so I don't want to keep you too much longer. But if anybody's listening, thinking. That Connie, I need to speak to her. How would you like them to get in touch with you? Well, they can go to my website, Connie, JPAC dot com, and actually just go ahead and book a call through that that site or definitely would love if anyone is interested in following me on my YouTube channel, which is also Connie.

Connie, JPAC. Yeah, I'd love to connect and help however I can.

Well, I'll put links to both of those in the show notes. And you also mentioned that you have a resource on your website that you're far too modest to promote. Connie, tell me about that.

Yes, thanks for reminding me. I do have a gift that I would love to offer as well. If anyone here is working on whether it's your first funnel or even your hundredth funnel, I do this exact three steps before I launch any funnel for any client. It doesn't matter if they haven't made a single dollar or two. They're already a seven figure business.

This is the thought process I go through and I've put together a editable funnel letter, a blueprint, a funnel blueprint, as well as a Upton mockup that you you can have through CAMBA. So as long as you have a free Kamba account, you will be able to download it right into your account and edit it to be your own custom version. And I like to have clarity in what the direction of the funnel is doing, where it's going to take people to next, what the layout of the blueprint like with when it comes to the blueprint, I always say maybe it's my real estate background, like you wouldn't build a house without a blueprint.

Why would you build a business without a final blueprint? And so I always create a final blueprint to make note of where the emails are gone, like where the tracking is, what platforms you're using and how you're going to run traffic. And just everything is just laid out in advance and talked about. And another thing is I use that to talk to my clients, to show them visually. Here's what we're doing. So there's no mistake or misunderstanding of what it is that we're achieving here.

And that's just been amazing tool for for myself. I know all my clients have seemed to really like it, and that's my free gift for everyone to see here today.

Well, you showed it to me earlier and I am excited to get it so soon. As soon as I got that link, I'm all over that. And anybody listening, you need it. Kind of. You have been an awesome guest. I need to ask you one more question. And that's what's one thing you do now that you wish had started five years ago?

Oh, that's a really good question. So I have always been a super shy, quiet girl. My teachers in elementary school would always write on the report card. It would be great if she spoke up a little bit more and ask questions or be nice to be able to hear her sometimes. Like I would always get that year after year. And I just told myself, it's OK, I'll just be the quiet girl in the background. I don't need to I don't need to push myself.

But I realized that whether you're an agency, whether you're a business owner, whatever it is you're doing, putting out content is so important. So, yes, you could blog, but lately video has been so such a hot thing these days. And what I love about video and you would think that someone like that would have gone the route of the blog. But I chose YouTube, of all things, or even a podcast would have been an easier step, right?

Yeah, but my thinking is I love face to face interaction, like you mentioned before, where this is like sitting down, having a cup of coffee with a friend. And I felt that here. And that's exactly how I love building relationships. And part of that is a face to face interaction. So even though I don't get to see the subscribers faces, I'm thinking, well, if they get to see my face, maybe there will be a deeper connection that can be made.

And so I decided to just leap into YouTube. But I really wish I pushed myself earlier to learn to speak. I started going to Toastmasters, but this was maybe two years ago. So I still do the arms and the legs and things. So if I had to say Koney 20 years ago, like what? Which should you be doing? Go out there and just learn to speak because you have all this information and knowledge inside. We all do inside of us.

But if you can't convey that in a clear manner, like people can't hear all this good stuff that you have to share. And so that's what I would say.

Sorry, I know I wholeheartedly agree. And I think what's so important is you can't delegate that. You can't subcontract and nobody could do that for you if you do it. If you. With that one thing, everything else will be easier. So, yeah, I think that's so true. Connie, you have been awesome. It's been so nice to meet you. Hopefully I get to meet you in person at some point once all this restriction is finished.

I am also very introverted and would rather be sitting in on an island on my own. So we'd probably be friends. But thank you so much for your time and I look forward to speaking to you again soon. Thank you.

Thank you so much for having me about content marketing as visibility. They're great, but you need a working funnel process or sales process to turn that into money. Check out Connies links in the show notes or download the Traffic and Conversion Guide on my own website. Amplify Me DOT agency where I literally brain dump dozens of things you could try to forget as well. Come and hang out with me on clubhouse. You'll find me at PopTech. And before I go, just a quick reminder to subscribe.

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